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Small Camera, Large Print (and large lenses)

By: Thorsten Overgaard. February 23, 2019. Updated October 19, 2023.

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I had the opportunity to talk with Leica lens designer Peter Karbe some time ago about the direction lens design is taking, and then a talk on the future of Leica cameras with Leica product managers Stefan Daniel and Stephan Schulz.

This is the first part of our conversation where we cover quite a few topics, which perhaps reveals some pointers to the future of Leica photography.

 

 

The idea of "small negative, large print"

When Oskar Barnack made the first prototypes of the Leica in 1908, his slogan was 'small negative, large print,' which paved the way for the small Leica rangefinder camera with a 24x36mm film negative. This made photography discreet and portable, and when the first Leica was introduced in 1925, it changed photography forever.

 

When the first rangefinder camerascame out in 1925, the camera became small and portable. On top of the then traditional cmaera is the Leica
When the first rangefinder camerascame out in 1925, the camera became small and portable. On top of the then traditional cmaera is the Leica

 

"An important ingredient in the design of the small camera was the high-quality optics that allowed capturing the photograph with clarity and details on the small negative - so it could be enlarged.

As you read this, the world of photography is about to take on a few new directions that seem to stipulate and expand on that very slogan Oskar Barnack had, 'Small negative, large print.

 

Interview with Leica product managers Stefan Daniel and Stephan Schulz

I had a talk with Stefan Daniel and Stephan Schulz at the LHSA anniversary meeting at Leica Camera in Wetzlar in October 2018 that might provide an idea of the future of Leica M, Leica SL, Leica Q, and the Leica medium format camera.

 

Bali. Leica SL with Leica 24-90mm Vario-Elmarit-L f/2.8. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Bali. Leica SL with Leica 24-90mm Vario-Elmarit-L f/2.8. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

 

The future of medium format and full frame

 

Overgaard: The L-Mount (previously known as SL and T mounts) is now shared with Panasonic, who will make compatible cameras and lenses, and with Sigma, who will make compatible lenses. How is this going to work? Is there a coordinated product strategy?

Stephan Schulz (Product manager for Leica Q, Leica S, and Leica SL): "We are part of an alliance with Sigma and Panasonic, but we are also competitors. This means we are not allowed to exchange any data about target markets, target size, upcoming products, and so on. So, at Leica, we are similarly surprised when Panasonic brings out a new product, like the Panasonic Lumix DC-S1R with 47MP, because we didn't know about it beforehand. This is something we cannot discuss with our partners."

 

Overgaard: The Leica SL concept with a 'large enough lens bayonet for any design' and the idea of a professional mirrorless camera seems to have prompted Nikon and others. Even though it's a camera concept with much bigger camera bodies and lenses at a time when everybody seemed to agree that 'full-frame is the new medium format,' and why smaller mirrorless cameras are the future, and then it will eventually be smartphones.

Stephan Schulz: "Our L-mount is 51.6 millimeters, and that is big enough for any lens type we could wish to design. This was checked by Peter Karbe and his team many, many years ago. It's big enough for full-frame, and this L-mount was first and foremost made for full-frame.

"The Nikon Z-mount is a larger mount (55mm). This may have even more, let's say, possibilities to make optical design more challenging, but on the other hand, we think the drawback is you cannot make really small cameras.

"Our L-mount was designed in a way that it's big enough for everything, yet as compact as possible. We can make nice compact cameras like the Leica CL, for example. If you tried that with the Z-mount, it would not work because the mount is too large."

 

Leica SL at the beach, with the 24-90mm zoom. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Leica SL at the beach, with the 24-90mm zoom. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

Stefan Daniel (Vice President Photo, Sport Optics & Technology): "The L-mount, formerly known as the T-mount when we launched it with the Leica T in 2014, actually dates back to the year 2010 or 2011 when Peter Karbe and his colleagues designed it.

"Initially, we had the plan to use the M-mount to go full-frame mirrorless, but it proved not to work out because the back focal length is too large, and the diameter is too small. So we came to the conclusion that we needed a new mount.

"So, the thoughts for the L-mount have proven to be spot on, thanks to Peter Karbe!"

 

Stefan Daniel speaking at the LHSA 50th Anniversary in Wetzlar. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Stefan Daniel speaking at the LHSA 50th Anniversary in Wetzlar. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

Overgaard: The full frame is becoming "the new medium format". The Leica S is the medium format currently, but it seems to slide over to Leica SL?

 

Stephan Schulz: "In total, there are ten focal lengths in the Leica S system, some with Central Shutter (making it sixteen model variants in total).

For Leica S, there have been several reasons it is not mirrorless. If you use a medium format camera, we presume that you really care about image quality, and from our point of view, mirrorless medium formats that were available up to 2020 when we released the Leica S3, produced a lot of heat. Heat means that the noise goes up. Increased noise means image quality goes down.

With the 64-megapixel Leica S3 (2020), we have managed to achieve more dynamic range than the previous models, higher sensitivity than the previous models, better colors, and even lower noise. Also, the pixels are smaller, allowing for more microdetails.

Leica S is not designed for mirrorless live view; it's designed for DSLR. We believe it's a very good alternative to the mainstream. Maybe one day we will have to change it to mirrorless.

For the moment, we don't plan to add additional lenses to the Leica S lineup. The really long focal lengths are missing in the S system because the longest is 180mm. But we think that, in regards to longer focal lengths, it's not only about resolution; it's also about stabilizing the image. There are a lot of things that need to be done to make good images with long focal lengths. We believe the Leica SL system is more appropriate for such applications."

 

Mirrorless vs reflex dSLR: The Leica S3 on top is a medium-format DSLR camera where the image is reflected 90 degrees up into a prism and can then be seen through the viewfinder (the photographer sees through the lens). The Leica SL on the bottom is a 'hybrid mirrorless' camera that does not have a mirror: The image is read directly by the sensor and displayed on a small screen inside the viewfinder (the camera sees through the lens). © Thorsten Overgaard
Mirrorless vs reflex dSLR: The Leica S3 on top is a medium-format DSLR camera where the image is reflected 90 degrees up into a prism and can then be seen through the viewfinder (the photographer sees through the lens). The Leica SL on the bottom is a 'hybrid mirrorless' camera that does not have a mirror: The image is read directly by the sensor and displayed on a small screen inside the viewfinder (the camera sees through the lens). © Thorsten Overgaard

 

Overgaard: Image Stabilization is something people ask about, both in the lens and in the camera. It takes up space in the lens and/or in the camera. Is there a solution in the future for that?

Stephan Schulz: "For in-body image stabilization, it's really a question of body size. We have a priority on the body size, which has a great heritage, particularly for the Leica M, and having image stabilization needs some space in the body to move the sensor.

"We cannot talk about future products in our strategy, but you can be sure that we have a close look at in-body image stabilization. We think if it's helpful for our customers, we will do it."

 

Leica SL in the snow. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Leica SL in the snow. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

"I would say that with in-body image stabilization, you have a benefit when using non-stabilized lenses, which can benefit from it. When you put a Leica M-lens on a Leica SL, you then have a nice image stabilization.

"By combining in-body image stabilization and in-lens image stabilization (in the L-lenses), you can correct different frequencies of shake, which is also a benefit. Ultimately, this will result in gaining more f-stops so you can photograph at lower shutter speeds without shake."

Stefan Daniel: "Yes, one more thing to consider when we think about prime lenses; when you develop them to very high performance, like the new APO-Summicron line, it's much easier to make a high-performance lens in a compact way if the image stabilization is in-camera. The APO lenses are compact lenses at a very high level, without optical image stabilization."

 

Stefan Daniel is the Global Product Director. He has been working at Leica Camera AG since he was around 17 years old (as shown in the picture above). Starting in customer service repair, he has worked through various technical and administrative departments, rising within the organization of Leica Camera AG to become essentially the second-in-command next to the CEO.   Stephan Schulz was the one responsible for the development of the Leica S, which was such a crucial project for Leica that his marching orders from Dr. Andreas Kaufmann (the majority-owner of Leica) were simply, 'You better make sure it is a success, because (we're screwed if it doesn't work), we've invested everything in this project.'

He did come through with the Leica S, which was sort of the Apollo 11 project of Leica, creating a lot of new technology that has been used in Leica M, Leica SL, Leica Q and other camera models ever since. Today he is responsible for Leica SL and Leica Q.
Stefan Daniel is the Global Product Director. He has been working at Leica Camera AG since he was around 17 years old (as shown in the picture above). Starting in customer service repair, he has worked through various technical and administrative departments, rising within the organization of Leica Camera AG to become essentially the second-in-command next to the CEO.  

Stephan Schulz was the one responsible for the development of the Leica S, which was such a crucial project for Leica that his marching orders from Dr. Andreas Kaufmann (the majority-owner of Leica) were simply, 'You better make sure it is a success, because (we're screwed if it doesn't work), we've invested everything in this project.'

He did come through with the Leica S, which was sort of the Apollo 11 project of Leica, creating a lot of new technology that has been used in Leica M, Leica SL, Leica Q and other camera models ever since. Today he is responsible for Leica SL and Leica Q.

     

 

 

Peter Karbe follows in an impressive line of legendary optical designers at Leica, from Max Berek to Dr. Mandler. He has been the chief optical designer at Leica Camera AG in Wetzlar, Germany since 2002. He retired in 2023 but then decided to stay. He counts as the only living rock star of Leica. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Peter Karbe follows in an impressive line of legendary optical designers at Leica, from Max Berek to Dr. Mandler. He has been the chief optical designer at Leica Camera AG in Wetzlar, Germany since 2002. He retired in 2023 but then decided to stay. He counts as the only living rock star of Leica. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

 

Peter Karbe Interview: The Era of Big Lenses

Overgaard: Now we have the SL-lenses, TL-lenses, the S-lenses. All the lenses get bigger, compared to the traditional Leica M lenses.

And now I see Nikon, Canon and Fuji also just open it up and make big lenses so they have lots of space to work with for their optical designs. The focus of lens design seems to be to enable the optical designers to control everything to perfection?

 

Rob Cale with his Leica SL and 50mm Summilux-L f/1.4 in Frankfurt. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Rob Cale with his Leica SL and 50mm Summilux-L f/1.4 in Frankfurt. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

Karbe: “I think Nikon said that they really followed our concept, completely, 100%, in their new Nikon Z.”


Overgaard: Yes, Nikon seem to want to be Leica. They’re even making a 58mm Nikkor Noct f/0.95 and also follow the concept of offering adapters so one can use all previous and old Nikon lenses. Just like you did with the Leica SL four years ago, in 2015.

It’s a bit like, do you remember in the old days with photography, we had the 35mm film format. Then they introduced the APS film system because everybody would buy new cameras, and then you could raise the price of developing film and making prints. I feel it's almost the same thing happening now. The dSLR is down-trending and all agree it will die and mirrorless takes over.  But now with the Leica SL, people are going to buy lenses and larger cameras again. We start a whole new era, making money and new glasses. I kind of dig all that, it’s a revival of photography. But then again, from my viewpoint, the ideal is to make it like the Leica M systems where all the lenses are as small and compact as possible. When you use your excellence to fit great optics into those small lenses, it tends to produce special fingerprints of lenses.

 

Leica 50mm Summilux-L f/1.4 on the Leica TL2. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Leica 50mm Summilux-L f/1.4 on the Leica TL2. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

Now you get to go in a different direction. You predicted, scaled and designed the SL lens system to allow all the space you need to make perfect optics. It’s very forward thinking and the ideal solution. But I’m a bit like, ‘Yeah, that’s nice, but I'm not gonna carry that stuff around in the city or in the rural setting, and so I want the compact excellence.’

 

Karbe: “What is it that you want? Compact or best performance? Or both?”

 

Overgaard: Look at the Leica M lenses. You have the best lenses in the world, and they're compact. I like a camera system I can always wear.

 

Karbe (seeing where this is going): “That's an ideal advantage.”

 

Out and about with the compact Leica M system. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Out and about with the compact Leica M system. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

Overgaard: The 50 APO is extremely compact, and it's perfect. One of the points you made with that lens was to make it extremely small and compact, yet so utterly precise. Sort of the opposite of making large SL lenses, because the 50 APO required such precise engineering and assembly that it’s no joke.

As a side-remark, I have this LHSA limited edition 50 APO in solid brass. It's the same compact APO design, but it's bigger than the 50mm rigid. So I looked at this thing, and I wondered, ‘Did Peter Karbe cheat?’ Does he just give himself more space to mount lenses?’ In theory, it should be smaller than the rigid, but it isn't. Do you just take all the space you can for your lenses, or what?

 

The 1956-model of the 50mm summiron-M f/2.0 "Rigid" and the limited edition black laquer 50mm SPO-Summicron-M f/2.0. © Thorsten Overgaard.
The 1956-model of the 50mm summiron-M f/2.0 "Rigid" and the limited edition black laquer 50mm SPO-Summicron-M f/2.0. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

Karbe: “Ha ha! No, the LHSA edition is the special editions defined by the customer who ordered. In this case that certain style, the classic lens barrel design, had a larger size than the original 50mm APO.

“We try to turn the lenses into the most compact and best performance lenses. On the other hand, we want to enlarge our fast lens portfolio for the 75 APO-Summicron-SL f/2.0 and so on.

“In principle, look at the Leitz Cine lenses; APS system sensor size but five times bigger lenses than all that.
“It's bigger, and the bigger it is, the more performance you can implement. And I think the customer expects performance.

 

 

“Let's go a different way: Which performance is needed in the future? Do you need 60 megapixels? I don't think so. But probably we’ll get it anyways, yes.

“So, when the lenses perform better, you can concentrate on the decisive moment. The rest you can do later. Take a little bit more space, so you only have to touch the button at the right time. If there are some adjustments, you can do them later. You capture a large picture at the right moment.

“You expect from yourself to take the whole and final picture, ready to show it. But it is better if you have more space, and you can – let's say like the Leica Q (Model 116 with 24 megapixels), you have your frame selector so you can choose 28mm, 35mm or 50mm. If you have the best lenses, then you can crop. This is kind of medium format behavior, because in the past you had 6x6, and then you had the mask inside. You have your full medium format negative, and then you say, ‘Okay, I want to have this part only’.

“Then when we improve the resolution of the camera – the megapixels – and we have the best performance within the lens – the optical performance and resolution of details – you are more flexible.  Because zooming takes time.

“And you can only have one shoot. But if you have an overview, you can take a picture of that overview and then crop later.

“That’s what I think is part of the future. And the Leica Q is well accepted, and we apply this.”

 

Leica Q has an 28mm lens but you can crop as here to see only 50mm. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Leica Q has an 28mm lens but you can crop as here to see only 50mm. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

Cropping in camera

Overgaard: Yes, People haven't taken the Leica Q concept on completely, but they should. With the Leica Q, I totally see the idea that you don’t need a 24-megapixel frame. You crop the image to 50mm and you have an 8-megapixels image that is actually fine. The idea is brilliant, but I also hear and see that people feel they should get all the 24 megapixels. They feel they are missing out, instead of looking at the 50mm picture in 8 megapixels and seeing that it actually works. People still want a 50mm Leica Q and a 35mm Leica Q that uses the full frame, but that’s not the way you are going.

Laptops get smaller, smartphones get smaller. The screen gets bigger, but the electronics get smaller and smaller. So while all technology gets smaller, why is it that the lenses get bigger? The camera gets smaller, but the lenses get bigger?

I see a point in the Leitz Cine lenses, the Leica S lenses and the Leica SL lenses, that the barrel is of similar size within each concept. I know that is also a consideration for production and readiness of parts and machines. And the Leitz Cine lenses won a technical Oscar for that, so I respect it.

But small is beautiful, isn’t it?

 

Leica TL2 with Leia 35mm Summilux f/1.4. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Leica TL2 with Leia 35mm Summilux f/1.4. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 


The "Magnum" strap for the Leica SL comes in two lengths, 125cm and 145cm.

 

Karbe: “The same size lens barrels, that is a platform concept. To have stable correction and new technologies, we implemented scalable processes in the production and all those things that we implemented.
“But the main reason for the bigger size for the SL system is to implement our autofocus technology, to have it very fast and high performance. Some other systems have different autofocus systems, they are very slow, and their performance is not that good. We have designed the focusing inside and then we can control the performance quite well from infinity to close focus.

“The lenses has auto focus that is able to move very fast, and as we move on, the cameras will be able to move the parts faster.

“The new lenses will be ...ha ha … the MTF is out the roof, there's no space for more. And so, this is the reason why we need it to be bigger, because the electronics required new optical concepts with larger focus groups. Large focus groups in combination with high performance; we want to find new solutions. That's the reason why we are going bigger.

“With the M system, we still target to get the best performance in small size. But as I have said before, the 75mm Noctilux with f-stop f/1.25 is the widest a Leica M lens can be. 60mm in diameter, that is the maximum due to the rangefinder view”.

 

Leica SL 601 with Leica 50mm APO-Summicron-M ASPH f/2.0. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Leica SL 601 with Leica 50mm APO-Summicron-M ASPH f/2.0. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

Overgaard: Yes, you can't really make a 35mm or 50mm smaller. It's like physics, you know. So you say, with future cameras, we're going to get more megapixels, that’s always a given even Leica Camera AG has been nice and kept it to 24 megapixels across the line for a while now.

But you just started scaling the lenses for so many megapixels, and the resulting resolution and quality of the lenses is so high that you can basically crop it.

 

Karbe: “I think all lenses are prepared for the resolution. We don't need to make them bigger. We got rid of the worry of such things, the higher resolution and all. The new lenses are prepared to work with higher resolution.”

 

Leica TL2 with Leica 50mm Summilux-SL f/1.4. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Leica TL2 with Leica 50mm Summilux-SL S ASPH f/1.4. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

Overgaard: Yeah. I can see that. You have the Leica M, the Leica MP, and they’re beautiful cameras. The miracle is that the mechanical perfection aligns. But now the Leica cameras and lenses are less handmade and require less adjustment.

The Leica M; you have to send it in for adjustment from time to time, whereas with a Leica Q or Leica SL there is no need for adjustment. You buy it and you use it. That makes life so much easier for Leica and everybody. This is a new era.

If you take some of the old Leica lenses, then you get some ‘rock and roll’ again because they’re out of control. Dr. Mandler’s ideal was probably also perfection when he made the first Noctilux f/1.2 and the 75mm Summilux f/1.4 and so on, but it was perfection with that current technology. What you could see in the image back then was what you could see, and now you can see more, because you can zoom in more.

 

Karbe: “Yes, yes, yes, and go closer.”

 

Sydney Opera House. Leica SL with Leica 24-70 Vario-Elmarit-L f/2.8. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Sydney Opera House. Leica SL with Leica 24-90 Vario-Elmarit-L f/2.8. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

The 100+ megapixel camera

Overgaard: So, I have an interesting questions here: If you look at the Leica SL lens or the Leica TL lenses, how high up can you go in megapixels before you must say ’Okay, now we have to improve the lens design again’ … Have you made any predictions for that?

 

Karbe: “Yes of course. For the Leica SL, it’s 100 megapixels.

 

Overgaard: 100 megapixels?

 

Karbe: “Yeah. No problem.”

 

Overgaard: (Here I shifted my pen from my right hand to my left hand and scratched my ear. I looked over at Peter Karbe and noted a triumphant expression in his face): No problem?

 

Karbe: “Yeah, no problem.

“Of course, if you are doing pixel peeping and such … It’s like looking at the thickness of the paint. But, Look at the picture.”

 

             
 

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Overgaard: That's very interesting, because 18 megapixels for a still is sort of enough, that is what the eye can resolve. In video it’s 4K. But of course we are getting 8K video cameras and lenses, and we’ll get 50 megapixels and 100 megapixel cameras, and it's just going to keep going on. I think it's a slower rate now, thankfully.
 

Karbe: “I think with the SL primes, the 90mm and 75mm and the rest, performance-wise, we are on the level of the Leitz Cine lenses. It's very close, but the size of the SL lenses is much smaller. So I think the SL lenses symbolize a new performance benchmark.”

 

Leica SL with Leica 24-70mm Vario-Elmarit f/2.8. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Leica SL with Leica 24-90mm Vario-Elmarit f/2.8. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

 

         
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Leica SL with Leica 24-70mm Vario-Elmarit f/2.8. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Leica SL with Leica 24-90mm Vario-Elmarit f/2.8. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

 

One lens and a 250 megapixel camera


Overgaard: If we imagine 100-megapixel or 250-megapixel full-frame sensors, and a lens that can resolve definition enough, then we could basically do with just one lens, and crop thereafter.

I asked you a year or two ago, what is the focal length of a pinhole camera lens, and you said, “It depends on the distance". Basically, you move the lens and you get a wider picture, but the rest remains.

In my Composition book, there is this photo where I went out in the park: I took a 75mm photo, and I took a 28mm photo, and I put the 75mm on top of the 28mm photo, and it all matches. It’s all the same.

What I am getting at is, I can shoot everything with a 28mm and crop it later. Like with the Leica Q, one 28mm f/1.7 lens and I crop digitally in the camera or later. I crop it to 90mm, and it’s a 90mm f/1.7 photo

 

Thorsten Overgaard in New York Leica Sl with Leica 50mm Noctilux-M ASPH f/0.95. © Dave Chenn.
Thorsten Overgaard in New York. Leica SL with Leica 50mm Noctilux-M ASPH f/0.95. © Dave Chenn.

 

Karbe: “Yes and no. What's is the difference is the depth of field. It won’t be 90mm f/1.4.
“The perspective will be the same, but the depth of focus will be different. It’s hard to see in your example.
“If the depth of focus is big enough, you will not see the difference. Because the entrance pupil of 28mm is smaller than 90mm. The equivalent F-number is the number multiplied with the crop factor. You have 28mm f/1.4, so 75mm will be f/4.0.”

Overgaard: I can't see it in this picture…


75mm photo laid onto a 28mm photo. © Thorsten Overgaard.
75mm photo laid onto a 28mm photo. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

Karbe:”Take a look and see it again.”

 

Overgaard: Hang on! This kind of destroys the idea that you should have lots of lenses because it just ... you have one lens and then you can do anything. But today, you put a 75mm on the camera to be able to think 75mm and you feel like you dragged the background closer, and as far as I can tell … well, why not just use one lens and it does it all? It takes the sexiness out of photography to only have one lens for all, but in the Leica Q it’s quite elegant because you actually see 50mm in the viewfinder. So even though you use a 28mm f/1.7, you get to see what a 50mm lens does. But then you say the f-stop changes.

 

Karbe:Before I started my career as engineer, I started my apprenticeship as photographer. And we had to take pictures from one point of view with different focal lengths.

‘You take the widest lens and crop it, and make a comparison with the long focal lens. Then you see it's the same. There's no difference, this is what you learn, it's basics. But what will change is the depth of focus."

 

Leica SL with Leica 50mm Noctilux-M ASPH f/0.95. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Leica SL with Leica 50mm Noctilux-M ASPH f/0.95. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

 

The 35mm Noctilux

Overgaard: It's always a question, what's next? I think everybody wants the 35mm Noctilux. I don't know why?

 

Karbe: “Of course there are white spots on the portfolio, I think. Especially for the fastest lenses, the f/1.4.
“I would like to start a story of APO-Summicron lenses. The first was the 90 mm APO-Summicron-M ASPH, you know. The second was 75 APO-Summicron, then the 50 APO-Summicron.

“Now I had to look at the 90mm APO-Summicron for the Leica SL, and then the 75mm APO-Summicron.

"I think that after the APO's – as the single name, or it should be the single name –  there's no need for more. (Peter Karbe laughs).

“Just with the SL system we need APO-Summicron in the lineup so we can make a story out of it. With this lens system you can grow a lot, and then you can crop a lot, and you can concentrate on the specific decisive moment.”

 

Leica SL with Leica 50mm Summarit f/2.4. © Thorsten Overgaard.
Leica SL with Leica 50mm Summarit-M f/2.4. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

Wide-angle APO lenses


Overgaard: Would it make a difference if you made a 35mm or a 28mm APO design? Or like, let’s say you have the 28mm f/2.0, which is a fairly new design. If you added APO to that one, in the M system?

 

Karbe: “It's close by, yes, but we are not so familiar with doing this with wide angle lenses. We perhaps have to think through the principle. But at the moment I'm looking at the SL system, because of the imbalance. Highest performance of that system.”

 

ACE Hotel in New York. Leica SL with Leica 50mm APO-Summicron-M f/2.0. © Thorsten Overgaard.
ACE Hotel in New York. Leica SL with Leica 50mm APO-Summicron-M f/2.0. © Thorsten Overgaard.

 

Overgaard: Do you use the Leica SL a lot yourself?

 

Karbe: ‘Yes, I try to find out how to ... How I can perform better with this. Nobody needs 2.5-meter tall prints. Let's think it differently. Let's say there is a football stadium, and you have an overview, and you can take a picture of it. You can have one shot and four pictures. You can tell a story like that.

“This is accelerated of course. This is the wish of everybody. Take pictures and the rest is done in the software.
“Could be the future, yeah.”

 

Overgaard: There was a period where ‘everybody’ thought doing video in a photo studio of a model was the way to go, and then just pick the frames from it you wanted. It didn't really work that well, it was just for a while. There's a lot of work in picking the frame because now you have to look through 4000 pictures instead of 40.

 

Karbe: “My thinking is that the SL system is just more for the photographer. An assistant for the photographer. The Leica M camera is a teacher.

“The Barnack concept from the beginning of the Leica was the moment, or snap shots. I was just thinking of Barnack. It's a decisive moment.”

 

Overgaard: Barnack also said, ‘Small negative, large print’. We’re getting to a new era of that philosophy in our day and age. There's probably more than two ways of perfection. One thing is that you make it a perfect picture in the camera; that's one type of perfection. The image quality is the next step in getting closer to perfection. The Leica M, in my view, combines both.

 

Karbe: “You can take the older lenses or you can take the new ones. With the new ones you can take pictures and do more with them. That's the difference. You can challenge yourself.’

 

Wandering spirits from the past


Here we took a break.

This was quite a bit for me to process. Peter Karbe works on the future lenses, in particular filling up the map of Leica SL lenses (the “L-Mount” as they now call them).

I like small lenses, and I like those old lenses that Peter Karbe seem to regard as some wandering spirits from the past.

We took a short break to refill our coffee mugs, and by the time I had added sugar and milk, I had through it through and was ready to backfire.

 

To be continued ...

Keep an eye out for the second part of the interview, “The 75mm Noctilux and ‘Rock and Roll’ lenses”.

 

 

 

 
 

 

Was ist das?

What are the different Leica SL buttons and symbols for?

Bayonet lock and red dot

There is a bayonet un-lock button on the Leica SL that is pressed to release the lens or adapter.

If an adapter is attached, that too has a silver button that is pressed to release the lens from the adapter.

The Leica lenses all have a red dot on them. It has to be positioned so that it "meets" the silver button on the camera or adaptor, then turn the lens clockwise till it locks.

When using one or two adaptors on the camera you will likely press the wrong button a few times but then you will get the hang of it.

 
     

ROM contacts on the lenses

The metal contacts inside the bayonet of the Leica SL and Leica T lenses and the adapters are for communication with the camera. For Leica T and Leica SL lenses they power the aperture and the autofocus motor inside the lens from the camera battery, and in the case of T and SL lenses they tell the camera the focus distance and zoom position as well. In all lens combinations they supply the camera with info about which lens is used.

For Leica M lenses there is no AF and there is no info about the aperture going to the camera. For Leica R lenses it is (un-)likely that the R lenses with ROM contacts will give info to the Leica SL about which lens is attached. We will know when that adapter is available in 2016.

 
     

ROM contacts in the Leica SL

Inside the bayonet of the Leica SL is the contacts to communicate with the lens' or adapter's contacts.

And yes, that is the sensor you see below and behind it. It is unprotected like this, though it has a glass surface.

When you release the shutter, a shutter curtain will go over the sensor and back in hiding again; after it has cleaned the sensor for digital signals and made the sensor ready to record the next picture.

 
     

The strap lug

The strap lug on the Leica SL has a square shape and doesn't take metal rings as the Leica M and other cameras. It has to be a nylon strap or leather strap that goes around it.

 
     

The diopter adjustment

You can turn the diopter on the viewfinder to adjust to your eyesight.

The GPS unit

To the left of the top of the camera is the plastic roof that seals the GPS unit. It needs a plastic roof to be able to communicate with the satellites.

Stereo microphone

The two sets of four small holes on top of the camera are the stereo microphones for video.

 
     

The rubber thing in the bottom

The soft rubber field under the camera is not GPS or WiFi. The rubber seals the contacts that are used when the battery handgrip is attached.

 
     

The rubber thing on the side

This is not a handgrip but a rubber cover of the contacts for HDMI, remote control, USB3 and external sound recorder.

 
     

The scan code and two holes

The screw mount hole in the bottom of the Leica SL 601 is for attaching it to a tripod, and the other hole is for keeping the camera firmly in place on the tripod so it doesn't rotate.

This plate also contains the serial number as well as a scan bar that can't be read by the iPhone. It is likely for factory internal use.

 
     

The rubber ring on the battery

The Leica SL batteries have a rubber band that is for weather-sealing the camera in that department as well. The rubber ring feels loose when your finger moves over it, but is actually pretty well attached to the battery.

 
     

Leica 180mm APO-Telyt-R f/3.4 on the Leica SL Type 601
Leica 180mm APO-Telyt-R f/3.4 on the Leica SL Type 601 via T to M adapter and M to R adapter.

 

Leica SL 601 Specifications:

Leica SL 601 Imaging Specifications:
Lens Mount Leica L
Camera Format Full-Frame (1x Crop Factor)
Pixels Effective: 24 Megapixel
Maximum Resolution 6000 x 4000
Aspect Ratio 3:2
Sensor Type CMOS
Sensor Size 24 x 36 mm
Image File Format DNG, JPEG
Bit Depth 14-Bit
Image Stabilization None

Leica SL Exposure Control Specifications:

ISO Sensitivity Auto, 50 to 50000
Shutter Speed Mechanical Shutter
1/8000 to 60 Seconds 
Mechanical Shutter
0 to 30 Minutes in Time Mode 
Bulb Mode 
Metering Method Center-Weighted Average, Multi-Zone, Spot
Exposure Modes Aperture Priority, Manual, Program, Shutter Priority
Exposure Compensation -3 to +3 EV (1/3, 1/2 EV Steps)
White Balance Auto, Cloudy, Daylight, Flash, Fluorescent (Cool White), Fluorescent (Warm White), Manual, Shade, Tungsten
Continuous Shooting Up to 11 fps at 24 MP for up to 33 Frames (JPEG)
Interval Recording Yes
Self-Timer 2/12-Second Delay

Leica SL 601 Video Specifications:

Recording Modes MOV
DCI 4K (4096 x 2160) at 24.00p 
UHD 4K (3840 x 2160) at 24.00p/25p/29.97p 
Full HD (1920 x 1080) at 24.00p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p/100p/119.88p 
HD (1280 x 720) at 24.00p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p/100p/119.88p 
External Recording Modes 4:2:2 10-Bit
DCI 4K (4096 x 2160)
Recording Limit Up to 29 Minutes
Audio Recording Built-In Microphone (Stereo)
External Microphone Input

Leica SL 601 Focus Specifications:

Focus Type Auto and Manual Focus
Focus Mode Continuous-Servo AF (C), Manual Focus (M), Single-Servo AF (S), Touch AF & Shutter
Autofocus Points Contrast Detection: 49

Leica SL 601 Viewfinder and Monitor Specifications:

Viewfinder Type Electronic
Viewfinder Size 0.66"
Viewfinder Resolution 4,400,000 Dot
Viewfinder Eye Point 20 mm
Viewfinder Coverage 100%
Viewfinder Magnification Approx. 0.8x
Diopter Adjustment -4 to +2
Monitor Size 2.95"
Monitor Resolution 1,040,000 Dot
Monitor Type Fixed Touchscreen LED

Leica SL 601 Flash Specifications:

Built-In Flash No
Flash Modes Manual, TTL Auto
Maximum Sync Speed 1/250 Second
Dedicated Flash System TTL
External Flash Connection Hot Shoe, PC Terminal

Leica SL 601 Interface Specifications:

Memory Card Slot Slot 1: SD/SDHC/SDXC (UHS-II)
Slot 2: SD/SDHC/SDXC (UHS-I)
Internal Memory None
Connectivity 3.5mm Headphone, 3.5mm Microphone, HDMI A (Full Size), USB Micro-B (USB 3.0), PC Sync Socket
Wireless Wi-Fi
GPS Yes

Leica SL 601 Environmental Specifications:

Operating Temperature 32 to 104°F / 0 to 40°C
Operating Humidity 0 to 85%

Leica SL 601 Physical Specifications:

Battery 1 x BP-SCL4 Rechargeable Lithium-Ion, 8.4 VDC, 1860 mAh
Dimensions (W x H x D) 5.8 x 4.1 x 1.5" / 147 x 104 x 39 mm
Weight 1.86 lb / 847 g (Body with Battery)

Leica SL 601 Packaging Specifications:

Package Weight 5.53 lb
Box Dimensions (LxWxH) 14.25 x 10.05 x 7.9"

 

Reviews of the Leica SL Typ 601

Sean Reid Reviews: "Leica SL 601" (as of October 20, 2015).
Jono Slack: "Field Report (Three Weeks in Creta" (at GetDPI as of October 20, 2015).
Ming Thein: "The 2015 Leica SL (Typ 601) and lenses" (as of Oct 20, 2015).
Kristian Dowling: "Leica SL (Typ 601) Professional Mirrorless Camera Review" (as of Oct 20, 2015).
DPreview: "Hands-on with Leica SL (Typ 601)" (as of October 20, 2015).
CNET: "Review" (as of October 20, 2015)
PC Mag: "Leica SL" (as of October 20, 2015).
British Journal of Photography: "Full Specs" (as of Oct 20, 2015)
Nick Rains: Review (as of October 20, 2015).
PetaPixel: "Mirrorless War" (as of October 20, 2015).
Sean Reid Reviews: "Leica M and R on Leica SL" (as of October 20, 2015).
Steve Huff: "My thoughts on the Leica SL" (as of October 20, 2015).
Jay Cassario: "Leica SL at weddings" (as of October 20, 2015).
Amateur Photographer: "Interview with Stephan Schulz on the Leica SL" (as of October 20, 2015).
Luminous Landscape: "What It Is and What It Isn’t" (as of October 22, 2015).
Husam Mneimneh: "The Real Competitor" (as of October 22, 2015)
Sean Reid "Some Thoughts on the new Leica SL" (as of October 22, 2015)
Erwin Puts: "The New Leica SL" (as of October 22, 2015)
Sean Reid: "35 mm rangefinder lenses on Leica SL and Leica M 240" (as of Oct 26, 2015)
DPReview: "Studio tests and samples: Leica SL (beta)" (as of October 28, 2015)
ClubSNAP: "Interview with Andreas Kaufmann and Oliver Kaltner" (as of October 28, 2015)
Sean Reid "Leica SL and Leica M 240 with Leica 35/1.4 Summilux-R and the Leitz Wetzlar 28/2.8 Elmarit-R" (as of November 16, 2015)
Steve Huff: "Leica SL Hands On - Video and More" (as of November 17, 2015).
Kristian Dowling: "Leica SL (Typ 601) One Month User Experience" (as of November 22, 2015).
Erwin Puts: "First of three articles on the Leica SL Type 601" (as of November 26, 2015).
Jono Slack: "The Leica SL - A Field report"
Jono Slack: "Leica SL in Venice"
Erwin Puts: "The Leica SL, part 2" (as of December 2015 on ISO speed and dynamic range)
Joeri van der Kloet: "The Leica SL review" (as of December 19, 2015)
grEGORY simpson - Ultrasomething: "Camera Season - The Leica SL" (as of January 1, 2016)
BH Photo: "Mirrorless Unleashed" (With comments on the Leica SL video features, as of January 2016)
DXOMARK: "Best-performing Leica to date" (as of January 21, 2016).
Kristen Meister: "Leica SL in the Cold" (as of January 26, 2016)
David Farkas: "A Professional Mirrorless Camera" (as of January 28, 2016).
Bigheadtaco: "Leica SL - Love of Hat or both?" (as of February 10, 2016)
Neil Buchan-Grant: "Location Portraiture with the Leica SL" (as of February 1, 2016)
Morten Albek: "The Leica SL Video Experience" (as of February 11, 2016)
Kirsten Meister: "The Leica SL: Six Month Field Test" (as of June 20, 2016)
Douglas Herr: "Leica SL vs. Sony a7II for Wildlife Photography" (as of June 26, 2016)

 

Leica SL lens reviews:

PC Magazine Review: "Leica Vario-Elmarit-SL 24-90mm f/2.8-4 ASPH" (as of November 2, 2015).
Kristen Meister: "Leica 90-280mm APO-Vario-Elmarit-SL f/2.8-4.0" (as of March 19, 2016).
David Farkas "Leica APO-Vario-Elmarit-SL 90-280mm f/2.8-4 lens review" (as of April 6, 2016).

Homework reading:

Leica SL Typ 601 Manual [English Only PDF - Cleaned out for the German part]
Leica SL Typ 601 Brochure [English PDF]
Leica SL Technical Specifications [English PDF]

 

Leica SL forum news:

L-Camera-User-Forum: Leica SL

 

 

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Leica M11 /M11-P 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8                          
Leica M10 / M10-R
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Leica M 240
P 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44            
M 246 Monochrom 26 27 28 29
30
31      

                     
Leica M-D 262 1 2                                        
Leica M9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20   M9-P
M Monochrom 20 21 22 23 24 25      

                     
Leica SL / SL2 1   3   5 6 7                              
Leica SL3 1                                          
Leica Q 1                                          
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Leica Q3 43 APO 1                                          
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Leica D-Lux 8 1                                          


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Leica M11 Monochrom   Leica SL2-S
Leica M10   Panasonic Lumix S5 II X
Leica M10-P   Panasonic Lumix S1R
Leica M10-R   Leica SL3
Leica M10-D   Leica TL2
Leica M10 Monochrom   Leica CL
Leica M9 and Leica M-E   Leica L-Mount lenses
Leica M9-P    
Leica M9 Monochrom   Leica R digital cameras:
Leica M240   Leica R8/R9/DMR
Leica M246 Monochrom    
Leica MD-262 and Leica M60   Small Leica mirrorless digital cameras:
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Leica M film cameras:   Leica Q2 / Leica Q2 Monochrom
Leica M6   Leica Q (model 116)
Leica M4   Leica V-Lux
Leica CL /Minota CLE (1973)   Leica C-Lux
    Leica D-Lux 8
    Leica D-Lux
Leica M lenses:   Leica Digilux 3
Leica 21mm Summilux-M ASPH f/1.4   Leica Digilux 2
Leica 21mm Leica Super-Elmar-M ASPH f/3.4   Leica Digilux 1
Leica 21mm Super-Angulon-M f/3.4   Leica Digilux
Leica 28mm Summilux-M ASPH f/1.4   Leica R film cameras:
Leica 35mm Summilux-M ASPH FLE f/1.4 and f/1.4 AA   Leica R8 / R9
Leica 35mm Summicron-M ASPH f/2.0   Leica R4
Leica 35mm APO-Summicron-M ASPH f/2.0   Leica R3 electronic
Leica 50mm ELCAN f/2.0   Leicaflex SL / SLmot
Leica 50mm Noctilux-M ASPH f/0.95 FLE   Leica compact film cameras:
Leica 50mm Noctilux-M f/1.0   Leica Minilux 35mm film camera
Leica 50mm Noctilux-M f/1.2   Leica CM 35mm film camera
7artisans 50mm f/1.1   Leica R lenses:
Leica 50mm Summilux-M ASPH f//1.4   Leica 19mm Elmarit-R f/2.8
Leica 50mm Summicron-M f/2.0 "rigid" Series II   Leica 35mm Elmarit-R f/2.8
Leica 50mm APO-Summicron-M ASPH f/2.0   Leica 50mm Summicron-R f/2.0
Leica 50mm Elmar-M f/2.8 collapsible   Leica 60mm Macro-Elmarit f/2.8
Leica 75mm Noctilux-M ASPH f/1.25   Leica 80mm Summilux-R f/1.4
7artisans 75mm f/1.25   Leica 90mm Summicron-R f/2.0
Leica 75mm Summilux-M f/1.4   Leica 180mm R lenses
Leica 90mm Summilux-M ASPH f/1.5   Leica 250mm Telyt-R f/4.0
Leica 90mm APO-Summicron-M ASPH f/2.0   Leica 400mm Telyt-R f/6.8
Leica 90mm Summarit-M f/2.5   Leica 35-70mm Vario-Elmarit-R f/2.8
Leica 90mm Elmarit f/2.8   Leica 35-70mm Vario-Elmarit-R f/4.0
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Leica reviews by Thorsten Overgaard. LEICA = LEItz CAmera. Founded 1849 in Wetzlar, Germany. Leica logo in photo by Thorsten Overgaard

LEItz CAmera = LEICA
Founded 1849 in Wetzlar, Germany.

Leica SL latest firmware

Digital Camera Raw 6.18
(December 2015; adds compability to Leica SL 601)

 

 

Peter Karbe is the chief lens designer at Leica Camrea AG and have designed the 50mm Summilux ASPH f/1.4, the 50mm APO-Summicron, the 75mm Noctilux and more.
Peter Karbe is the chief lens designer at Leica Camera AG and have designed the 50mm Summilux ASPH f/1.4, the 50mm APO-Summicron, the 75mm Noctilux and more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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